VISUAL RHETORIC AND DESIGN: Myers Prompt

September 12, 2003

Myers Prompt

Hello Everyone! Welcome to Eva's session of blogging! We can talk all about Gregg Myers' Words and Pictures.

My Response to Text: When advertisers are not treating their audience passively they can assume certain things about them that may or may not be true (i.e. have to conjure the given-what the hearer already knows about).

Q to the Class: What is your own construction of the advertisements? Creatively discuss further if the advertisements carried different meanings for you than ads (Volkswagen, Spastic Society, Volvo, Moschino, Kenwood) aimed for.

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Quieren saber mas? This is just additional information.

My discussion is geared more toward social constructs and expectations of the advertiser.

How I came to my conclusion: Well first I've been thinking about what a person said early in class: meaning boils down to perception. Then, throughout reading the text I sensed a skepical tone in Myers' writing with his usage of words, "my own construction, my own discovery," "it could be," "usually," "may be," "have many meanings." I remembered Bennetton and one of his controversial ads with a black mother and a white baby. The ad had significantly different meanings in two different parts of the world. What about McCloud? He was illustrating that we come to associate ourselves by the cars we drive or things we buy, well what if some people do not? Anyway, I still do not know what that Moschino ad was all about anyway!

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When does an advertiser not have to "conjure up what the hearer already knows about"? For a publication such as Karyn's goalie magazine, writers/designer know "who" their audience is only so far as their interest in the game itself. If they write/design to that interest only, they stand a reasonable chance at clarity of message. The goalie image is understood; the ideas of pads, protection, and power are understood. But what of the background imagery? the framing image? the stop sign (recognizable in the U.S., the shape is different in Canada, Britain, and Europe, isn't it?)? These images are far more open to variable interpretation and thus to confused messages. Does a designer recognize this and design secondary level messages here? I would think she does.
In Myers, the VW ad lends the "face" a decidedly robotic look (my interp.). Taken out of historical context (an issue discussed by Hall), we see the ad without the contemporaneous awareness of its being Nat'l No Smoking Day and without awareness of the media blitz that likely was everywhere at the time. Its message is severely muted by this lack of context. Despite Myers' telling us when it ran, the ad doesn't track well and interpretation is skewed, I think.

The Kenwood runner ad demands tremendous intuitive leaps in the act of interpretation. That the runner's posture illustrates drive to improve and not dejected surrender. that a drive to improve on the track translates to a similar drive at the parts counter at Kenwood. That a desire to improve service at work will deliver a tangible benefit to the reader/viewer. And here, too, the historical context is unknown. Where did the ad appear? in what environment? What was going on at the time that reader/viewers would have been aware of? As Myers admits, it took him a good long while to assign a meaning that pleased is experience and knowledge. Are reader/viewers typically willing to give that time? How does the analysis change if we know that the ad appeared, say, in Runner's World magazine as opposed to People? or Time? or YM? --Viqui

Posted by: viqui at September 13, 2003 09:30 AM

This article was rather interesting, but my concern is not whether or not there is a relationship between words and pictures, or even how this relationship determines quality, but the universality of it (the relationship).

It appears to me that Myers is reliant upon the fact that people are going to see the image first. So, how does he explain the perceptions of people like S. Romano, who search for textual information first? I do not think it is definitive that images always carry a more powerful message, at least not for certain people.

This brings us back to cultural surroundings and individual backgrounds. People are obviously different and their perception is dramatically altered by these differences, therefore it raises an interesting question: how do advertisers know if the people they are trying to reach are going to buy it? Since people's methodologies for acquiring visual and textual information are different, how can they be assured that the ad will work? The answer to this question may not be important however, because it is obvious that ads do work.

Although I may read ads in the fashion that Myers describes (i.e. the back and forth relationship between words and pics and the left to right bottom to top conventions)I am hardly swayed by any advertisement. My perception of ads has always been highly critical and mostly cynical. So then, how do advertisers attempt people like me to buy their products?

Just some thoughts...

Josef

Posted by: jbachmeier at September 14, 2003 04:10 PM

Zow. I dig this article. My quick observatoins were that the Maraschino ad didn't necessarily need to have a single contextual message. It was said to have come from a youth magazine; the source of the ad might dictate a fractured style wherein te advertier should be made to seem friendly, issue conscious, and age-friendly, but doesn't have to say it explicitly. Each of the images in the ad have heavy meaning that would be recognized by a visual-based youth culture, but those meanings don't have to track a central theme aside from relating to the target audience in a "hip" way.

My second thought was that Volkswagen was ysing Tyler's idea of meaning substitution in the same way that AdBusters has done with Absolut Vodka. By keeping the formatting the same as a cigarette ad but changing the product, a new hybrid meaning can be formed. Ads like this are often very successful because they help people feel "in the know," and amuse them at the same time. They are, however, sub-culturally specific. If you try and substitute images from a sub-culture that isn't widely known, it won't be an effective ad (Think about Karen's KOHO ad - if you don't know hockey, how effective is that little Patrick Roy in the corner?).

As for Josef's question - I also try an adopt a cynic's view of advertising, and I find the ads that I can deconstruct for the longest period of time are the most effective. The more blatant, and at the same time, clever the advertiser is, the better.

Posted by: Adam at September 14, 2003 06:42 PM

I read Myers's interpretation of the Kenwood ad before looking at the ad itself, and I found it to be plausible if not accurate, but I could not help but to wonder how quickly I would have "gotten it" on my own. In response to Viqui's question as to how impact would change with the publication, I think that this is an important question to consider. I am a runner. 57 minutes for a 10K is slow-- these races are won in less than 30 minutes, so it would take me a while to process what Myers came up with. Of course, the context of not matching a PR is a clue, but the details do not match my knowledge of running. I can't help but wonder, though, if this ad was not in a running mag, how effective it would be because I doubt that the general non-running population would be quick to interpret it, either as the context is rather specific. In other words, it seems that the audience is intended to identify with the employee, but those who might would probably have the same reaction I did. Maybe I don't give people enough credit, though.
Lots of vocab in this one. The concept of modality is interesting to me, and I intend to start looking for the deliberate clues in ads to see how real images are intended to be. I had always assuemd that ads-- even far-fetched representations-- were meant to be taken as reality.

Posted by: Eli at September 14, 2003 11:07 PM

Responding mostly to what Josef said...

As a cynical reader of advertsiements myself, I have come to terms with the idea that my cynicism is not so much a refutal of the message but an equal absorption of it. Take, for example, the Kenwood advertisement. As a runner myself, I laugh at the idea that anyone would put as much effort into their running as they would into their full time job. I say this from experience: when I worked full time, I put more effort into running because it felt good to put effort into something (my job didn't require much of me). Perhaps then this is more just a personal reaction- anyhow, my overall point is this: no matter what emotion I experience (or approach the ad with) when I view an ad, the fact is I've absorbed the name. Ask me to name a beer off the top of my head, and I'll probably say Coors Light based almost entirely on that fact that I despise their latest advertising campaign, and thus the name jumps out immediately. So I think the fact is you still get the name, and in the end that might be all that matters. True cynicism (& refutal of the message) would most likely involve avoiding ads all together, in my humble opinion.

I also think that the ads work when they combine the visual & textual image simply because they do combine the two. Whichever one you choose as a starting point, you must inevitably work (or relay) your way to the other portion: in all of the ads in the Myers reading the visual & verbal work in tandem- we cannot undertsand one without the other.

Now, onto the Moschino ad & Adam's comments. I'm going to assume that Moschino clothing is a store solely for youth, based on the appearane of the ads in youth style magazines. I loved the comment about appealing to a visual based youth culture. When I read the article, I wondered how the ad might operate. & I'll take it's fractured images what I think might be one step further: perhaps they are set up to be misunderstood. Youth, after all, often thrive on being misunderstood & tend to display these feeling with through piercings, hair dye, outrageous manner of dress, etc. So perhaps Moschino wants to imply that their clothing will jive with or enhance one's state of being misunderstood. The images also seem to be somewhat hip (again, like Adam pointed out)- the first image struck me as something you might see patched onto a backpack- I wonder also about the meaning of "plants" in the fourth frame- could be construed as something illegal by youth. But like Adam pointed out, the ads don't necessarily need to have a cohesive message but perhaps instead just appeal to youth visually.

Posted by: KSmith at September 14, 2003 11:27 PM

The most interesting thing that occured to me through reading the Meyer text is how visual communication effects our perceptions of text or verbal communication and vice versa. I tend to believe that people including my self lean further to one side of the spectrum or the other.(no one is perfectly balanced between verbal and visual comm)I am more visual when it comes ads especially. I look at pictures first and then decide if the ad is worth reading. The point that Meyers made is how advertisers play on these preferences to be affective toward the audience. Terms like reflected meanings(playing on cultural taboos) and relay(the continous juxtaposition of images and text) are just a few ways that advertisers lure us into possibley being attracted to both sides of the visual verbal spectrum no matter which side we perfer to pay attentions to.

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